Curse

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Hi,

I was making a character for a survivor title. Got to second title, relatively easy. Just playing the game normally and what not, but I did it with heroes. This would be hard if I used pugs I think...

Then I decided to use a player from guild, and he purposely got me killed by aggro'ing everything...

It's kind of annoying but I don't really care too much, would just like the survivor three title. This is entirely selfish but my suggestion:

Title one and two you have to get from level 1.

For third title - you allow someone to get 1.3mil XP without dying at any point and they get it REGARDLESS of if they have died. So, supposing you get to 600k XP. On survivor 2, you die. You then start the survivor clock at 0 again keeping your survivor two title.

Still many players won't get 1.3mil xp without dying. So it's still a pretty cool title.

Don't get me wrong, I admit it's purely selfish because I don't want to make another character BUT I think it's a pretty good idea.

Those in favour of it?

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 19, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

I am kind of torn on this.. from purely personal reasons. My main title char was mafde before this title came out and as such, she cant get that title. However, I have worked hard and obtained (6 so far) legendary survivors and wouldnt want to see that effort devalued somewhat.
Otherwise we will be seeing lots of legendatry survivor 55 monks who obtain it from just farming etc once they got to lvl 20.
So although it hurts my title girl, I guess I have to not sign.. sorry.

Viruzzz · Oct 19, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

that makes the title about a thousand times easier to get.

there's not a lot of gray area when it comes to being a "survivor", you die, you lose it.

and its not such a hard title to get at the moment, there are tons and tons of people running around with it. i don't see a reason to make it easier

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

It's easy to get, you can just farm for it in the same place over and over... Like I said, I made the mistake of playing with someone but doesn't that kind of void the game of being fun for a period of time?

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Otherwise we will be seeing lots of legendatry survivor 55 monks who obtain it from just farming etc once they got to lvl 20.

If you notice I said you had to get to level two survivor right from character level one, without dying. Also, people often get third survivor title from farming. Very rarely do people get it from just playing the game.

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and its not such a hard title to get at the moment, there are tons and tons of people running around with it. i don't see a reason to make it easier

It would actually make the game more fun knowing if you make a mistake it's not the end of the world =D.

nechronius · Oct 20, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

It would actually make the game more fun knowing if you make a mistake it's not the end of the world =D.

But that's just it. It's not the end of the world. The character is not really "dead." You can still play them as much as you wish.

There are any number of titles that you can attain by perseverance and repeatedly doing the same task over and over. This is not one of them. Knowing the full parameters of the task you still chose to undertake it knowing that you had a great risk of disappointment. Why go and wish you could change it now?

My point is just this. This title is a way for a.net to keep people interested in repeatedly playing the game. They are dangling you a carrot that says "if you fail, try and try again" which keeps the game active and also gives you a reason as a player to keep coming back anew.

And all this so you can have "Legendary Survivor(3)" under your name. If this is what you want, delete and try again if you're out of slots. Otherwise just chase after a different title.

And I'm SURE that a.net put no real thought into the consequences of this title. They put it out there blindly as a ridiculously difficult title, until people could figure out how to do it fairly easily. It still has a razor thin margin of error however.

PS (edit)
From a programming standpoint, you're asking the programmers to add an extra field in their database per character, with an extra flag for when a character first reaches a particular level of XP. It could potentially be a lot of work. Not practical. Much, much easier to just leave it as is, with a simple if-then-else conditional check for the title.

Lastly you could make a case for changing the title if nobody was attaining it. However at last check this happens frequently enough. Even if only one or two people achieved this title, a.net would not be inclined to change it.

Kind of reminds me of the Japanese game show "Sasuke" or Ninja Warrior for people here in the states. At last check I've seen 17 seasons of the show, one every six months. 100 people every season. Only two people have beaten the game which tests strength, speed, endurance, agility, etc. Every Time people beat portions of the game show they've made it harder. Be glad that at least GW doesn't take the same philosophy toward survivor and keep extending the requirement for the next aspiring (3).

Lycan Nibbler · Oct 20, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

If you notice I said you had to get to level two survivor right from character level one, without dying. Also, people often get third survivor title from farming. Very rarely do people get it from just playing the game.

It would actually make the game more fun knowing if you make a mistake it's not the end of the world =D.

Why lvl 2? why not lvl 1? After all, you are a lvl 20 at that point......so I dont personally see getting to level 2 before being able to get a survivor valid at all. It still means all the previous chars made before the title track was in place could not get the title, all it means is that people that died hafway or so to it could continue... not a good argument for change IMHO.

Speaking as someone who has lost at least 2 survivors at over 1 Million, yes it leaves a bad taste and indeed made me not want to play for a few days, but it also makes you learn from those mistakes and not to do them again.

October Jade · Oct 20, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

The Survivor thing has been discussed to death, and I think we can collectively acknowledge that the current system will not be changed. Everyone is aware of the parameters, what to do and what not to do. It is really just a matter of execution.

As an aside...that guildmate of yours is a complete tool. Perhaps it wasn't the best decision on your part to be so trusting, but there is no excuse for what he did.

nechronius · Oct 20, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

There is absolutely no excuse for what they did. Hence the OP is "looking for a new guild" after all...

It really is a shame to lose the prospect of a title in the blink of an eye. But any pain you feel is 100% self inflicted as there is absolutely no reason to chase after this if you're not prepared to deal with the potential consequences. I have a paragon now with survivor(1) at 160,000xp but if he dies, I will keep him and not look back...

elektra_lucia · Oct 20, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

I wasn't really prepared to deal with it as I knew I would not die if I played the game on my own. I feel kind of bad discussing it as the person probably enjoys reading it. Regardless, I think that removes some of the fun in the game if you have to play on your own to avoid dying... I'm honestly not too cut up about it, at the time I just said 'eff you' which apparently was a really nasty thing to say but I don't think it's much after working hours for something. To be honest I just want the title, I could remake the character but I always get maximum armour every time I remake and it's just a waste of cash. Money is a lot harder to make for me personally than it used to be.

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Why lvl 2? why not lvl 1? After all, you are a lvl 20 at that point......so I dont personally see getting to level 2 before being able to get a survivor valid at all.

Hmm, I would think that any player that is going to get all his XP from 55'ing, will die before level two survivor. I don't know, it's just a thought, level one would probably be fine I'm sure... The game says that you can make no bad decisions unlike some games where you do something and it messes you up later...

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But any pain you feel is 100% self inflicted

So if I walk outside and get hit by a bus or raped or something it's self inflicted because I knew I could get hit by a bus, or raped, if I walked outside? That is exactly what you're saying, not trying to be argumentative, but yeah...

I must say I am shocked there is so few supporters of this, everyone makes mistakes and I guess this thread was one of them xD.

Darko_UK · Oct 20, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

No reason why not, Don't see what all the fuss is about though, Especially them people saying it will devalue the title - It means nothing now so how exactly can you make something like that negative?